Be Reasonable
When I was a kid, my parents did not expose me to religion. I was not taken to church, temple, or shrine, nor presented with any religious text. I do not recall my parents acting hostile toward religion, certainly not faith or spirituality; my mother thanking god at the dinner table in a way that I found moving is not what I would call anti-religious. Never mind that it is a non-specific spirit-of-everything kind of god being thanked, we did not scoff at belief. Nor am I non-religious in the strictest sense; I am what some would call an atheist but what most would term an agnostic; I suspect there is something there but am unwilling to say that I know what it is. A fundamentalist might say I disbelieve in god; I would say that I refuse to disbelieve. I imagine various scenarios that I feel could be true, but always keep in mind that the context which gives sense to whatever might have created the universe is so far removed from my own context, that I probably cannot judge with any reliability what that truth might be. I can only imagine, and perhaps hope.
At best, you could say that I was raised fairly neutrally, never pressured one way or the other, and perhaps was even given a positive view of spirituality in general. So the reason I have such disrespect for so many religious organizations and people who call themselves “believers” comes from their own example.
I remember one of the first memorable exposures I had of religion–aside, of course, from the endless public displays that everyone takes for granted, from the ingrained linguistic quirks like bless-you-for-sneezing to the ubiquitous Christmas-related religiosity that permeates the culture toward the end of the year. That stuff is so thoroughly dissolved into American life that you can go through it almost without noticing. The first time religion ever smacked me in the forehead was when I was listening to the radio in my room one day. I stopped at a station, and stayed for a moment when I heard something bombastic-sounding. More than thirty years later, I can hardly recall it verbatim, but it went very much like this: after a minute of Jesus-this and god-that, the radio preacher stopped in mid-sentence, and said:
–Wait a minute! Wait, a, minute!! God is, yes, the lord is speaking to me right this second! God is speaking to me, he is telling me… that there are twenty people in the audience, twenty people… who have one hundred dollars apiece! And I am not going to stop talking until those twenty people have called in and….
I swear to god that’s what he was saying. I laughed. I wondered at the near-comic temerity of this joker, to think that anyone would seriously believe that the grand lord almighty was whispering facts about people’s wallets to some third-rate radio evangelist. But, perhaps not right then, but certainly over not too much more time, it struck me just as strongly that this guy would probably not be on the radio if some people didn’t believe and send him money, earnestly believing that he was indeed in contact with god and dutifully obeying the will of the creator by sending in a C-note to this Minister What’s-his-name.
And then images of people who always puzzled me came to my mind, about everyone from the followers of Jim Jones to the people who gave all their money and lived on some commune while their god-on-Earth messiah drove past in one of his many Rolls Royce sedans. These people always troubled me, because I could never wrap my head around what they were thinking. Give up everything and do what? Watch this obvious charlatan live in luxury while you labor in his fields, and you pay him for it? What a con! What rubes these people are!
It was not until some years later that a paradigm to help explain this crystallized in my mind. I was attending a junior college, and I could not fail to notice the large number of religions and cults that advertised, or tried to, on campus, more than almost any other venue I had witnessed. And it occurred to me that there was a reason, similar to the reason why the military was so intent on making their pitch to people of like age. It is an age ripe for shaping people to believe; a group perhaps more likely than almost any other to be filled with people trying to decide where to go in life, but more importantly, a group that was vulnerable emotionally, more easily gulled, often alienated and lost, looking for direction and guidance. In short, an audience ripe for predation. And religions were there, at the front lines.
I did not become so simple-mindedly iconoclastic that I believed all religion was like that. I saw enough good works being done to convince me that many religious people and even some institutions did indeed mean and do well for others, and stay true to good, core principles. It just depressed me that such institutions were so clearly in the minority, and such people were hard to find in pure form, or at least as pure as you would minimally expect from a philosophy that evidently preached something so far removed from what so many of it practitioners actually practiced in real life.
This was clarified somewhat for me when I came to know a young woman I worked with at a part-time job in college. The daughter of a fundamentalist minister, she was rather enthusiastic about her faith. I have mentioned her before in my writing; she was the one who calmly informed me that she knew science, evolution, and the countless people involved were wrong because she found a flaw in radioactive dating methods, divined after hearing a short lecture on the subject in her high school science class. She did not have bad intentions–far from it. But her conclusions were indicative of so many I have witnessed since, so overwhelmingly biased by her beliefs, so empty of reason or logic–and yet she firmly believed that she had used reason to find an independent truth that informed her of the nature of the universe.
I can very much respect those who see religion as a spiritual guide, gaining strength, inspiration, and wisdom from what it offers. I may not believe in what they believe in, and I can even actively disbelieve in specific beliefs of theirs while still maintaining respect for the person overall. Like I said at the start of this tirade, I realize I could very well be wrong (and even likely am) about what I suspect is the way the universe works.
But what I cannot respect is a person who allows themselves, intentionally or not, to abandon something so clearly as important as faith: reason. I can feel compassion for such a person, I can even like them in many if not most ways. But once a person abandons any semblance of reason, and claims that the unseen trumps the seen, that the word trumps the fact (all too often followed by the claim of compassion trumping the act of compassion), I find myself getting up to leave the room. Not to be flippant, but you simply cannot reason with such people, and it is almost always a waste of time to try. It is one of the few prejudices I have which I am proud of. For as nice and deserving of love as these people may be, they are loons that should not be allowed near social administration or heavy machinery.
I am not talking only about people who think the universe is only six thousand years old when any first-year science student can prove them wrong in any number of easily demonstrable and reproducible ways. I also refer to people who answer reasonable arguments with scripture where the scripture used clearly has no relation to the discussion at hand beyond that imagined by the person delivering it. I also refer to people who faithfully believe a religious speaker when he says that the world will end tomorrow, and then believes just as much if not more two days later when the preacher comes up with some half-assed excuse as to why the universe not ending proves he was right all along–this being an extreme example of a kind of spiritual fraud that happens on a smaller scale every day. I also refer to people who do not see clear contradictions within their own beliefs and actions–not small, iffy, or difficult-to-spot contradictions that anyone could miss, but huge glaring ones, like Jesus loves you with the greatest of all joyful love, and is the ultimate epitome of forgiveness and mercy, and died for your sins and is dying for your sins all the time–but will send you to suffer unimaginable agony for a literal eternity in the fires of hell if you say his name the wrong way or pray to a different god, even if you do nothing but selfless good works every moment of your life.
You know. The obvious contradictions.
My threshold for suffering people like this is low enough when they are well-meaning. It only gets worse when they see their conclusions as not only so self-evident, but so overwhelmingly important that they feel the need to impose them on others. Fewer but more galling still are those who revel in the humble superiority all of this makes them feel, and you can see it going to their heads. Worse still are those who come from this supposedly loving state of holiness to espouse actions that will harm and even kill others. But it is difficult to judge if it is worst of all to see people who may or may not believe, but consciously use the emotional control inherent in the religious community to work believers in ways that allow for the gathering and use of influence and power, a use which seems to universally trend towards abuse as it is used in larger and larger contexts.
This is why I believe in what I call the inverse-square law of spirituality: just as the intensity of light falls off by the square of the distance, so does spirituality when removed from the individual. The farther spirituality is removed from being an individual’s journey through life and is used to influence others, the darker its effects become. I would include reason in the equation of spirituality as well: reason is not the antithesis of belief, it is integral to its healthy development.
So when I see people abandoning reason in their religion and then applying it to affect others, I start to get nervous.

do you believe that once you have commited to the depths of denial and pho-logic that certain sects require, it is impossible to escape from there to a more normal state of mind?
“The farther spirituality is removed from being an individual’s journey through life and is used to influence others, the darker its effects become.”
I’m not sure what you wrote here. Can you explain this a little better?
Mages64:
Sure, but the change has to come from within, not without, I suspect. There usually is a kind of feedback effect to trying to convince such a person they are in error: the more you speak reason, the harder they fight back with non-reason. It brings to mind the old joke: how many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? The answer: just one, but the light bulb has to want to change.
Tim:
Hmm. I finished writing late at night, and I think I could have phrased that better. What I was trying to say is that spirituality is a personal thing, something which is best applied inwardly. The farther out from the individual it gets, the less productive and more harmful it can become.
I would apply this to organizations as well as to outward influence. The more that spirituality is codified and made the business of social organizations for the purpose of managing that spirituality, the more it loses its value and invites corruption. That part is easier to see. The more spirituality becomes a codified, regulated affair, the less it applies to any specific person, and the more it becomes a repository for principles of interference with true spirituality. There will be more and more imposition, and less individual enlightenment. Additionally, such an organization, by nature, will try to increase its numbers and create an environment consistent with its tenets, which usually means proselytization through more than just a passive offer of education. Also, the workings of any such organization allows for corrupting influences, from the internal and external politics that naturally grow in such an environment, to the people who are drawn to the power, money, and influence native to organizations alone, separate from the spirituality it is supposed to engender–and a host of other distractions.
But there is also a danger in exerting your personal spirituality outwards. Not in the form of doing good things because your spirituality tells you to be kind and compassionate, for example; these are outward effects of spirituality turned inwards. Rather, I speak of grafting your own spirituality on others; either judging others by the standards of your own spirituality, or attempting to impose your own enlightenment on them when they do not wish it.
An example of that might be the owner of a company dealing with his workers. Deciding to pay a fair wage because his spirituality informs him of the importance of treating others with respect is an example of spirituality turned inwards having a positive outward effect. But deciding that workers should be required to participate in meditation/prayer, or penalizing them for practicing extramarital sex, are examples of the spirituality applied outwards–the spiritual decision made by one person imposed upon others “for their own good.”
Great blog. I know that for me, one of the biggest issues that I’ve always had with religion- any religion- is that they’re so obviously made-up by someone.
Oh, they’ll all claim that they are somehow divinely inspired. Burning bushes, golden plates revealed to someone, prophetic revelation, whatever… doesn’t matter. They’re all created by people one way or the other.
And yet it’s extremely human nature to want to believe in *something*. Lots of the developing brain science these days suggests that the human brain is hard-wired TO believe in some kind of spirituality- and it’s not just some in-vogue scientific theory that has changed, either. Our tools for looking into the brain while it’s thinking have improved tremendously in just the past decade.
Myself, I rejected most religions for a long time. Then events in my life got me thinking about my own beliefs, and I had to firm up my own belief system. Later, after having done that, I came across a form of Buddhism (Nichiren Buddhism as practiced by Soka Gakkai, to be specific- I’m sure the folks familiar with Japan reading your blog know THAT one) that seemed to fit in very well with what I’d already come to believe/suspect about spiritual doings.
I wonder at times how much this happens. Sure, most people wind up growing up and believing what their parents believed, because that’s all they’re exposed to. Even if they later are exposed to other things (often during that impressionable period you mention, Luis) they often return to their roots, so to speak.
But I think that in a truly “free market” for religion that most people could/would wind up finding a religious/spiritual system or framework that they believe and choose to go with. Or they’ll be more hands-off and choose to not choose!
Or, heck, they can always start their OWN religion and run with it and see how many recruits they can sign up. Religion pays well for talented people, after all, so it’s not necessarily a bad career choice.
But ultimately I’m with you- the closer you keep it to your own individual choice the better it works. The most powerful examples of religion or spiritual matters that I’ve come to respect over the years have almost always been the folks who are comfortable in what they think but are very relaxed when it comes to presenting it to others.
In Soka Gakkai we use two terms for evangelizing (for lack of a better term) to non-SGI people. There’s shakubuku, which is loosely defined as forcefully refuting what is considered to be non-truthful, lesser forms of thinking (particularly/usually other Buddhist thinking), and then there’s shoju, which is more of a relaxed, soft-sell only to people who are open to hearing about it.
I greatly prefer shoju and get kind of disgusted when I hear fellow SGI folks getting all fired up about shakubuku campaigns. So even my own chosen religion doesn’t fit in 100% with what I believe… which is one reason I try to be open about it but NOT force it on anyone.
Great post overall, Luis.
Paul:
Ironic story. I too like many of the tenets of Buddhism but cringe when i hear of the institutionalized dogmas or techniques or what have you that various sects believe. Nichiren in particular has a dodgey past so i applaud you for being critical of the label that you choose to identify with. why can’t more people do that…
Luis:
To take your argument further, would you say that any kind of standards or beliefs even if they are not based on spirituality shouldn’t be imposed on others? beliefs that have no scientific backing that is. just wondering what your criteria of imposition might be. Oh and the apartment post was just as interesting! don’t think it wasn’t because everyone commented on this one:) ありがとう
Great comment – thanks. Very profound and very productive.
Something about religion is tied into managing the human imagination.
Recently read Hitchen’s “God is not Great”. He’s an avowed atheist. But I also remember him in a recent interview talking about how it is that he cannot write good fiction: all his friends that write good fiction (and they are considerable, including Salmon Rushdie),he said, have a musical quality to their minds. In other words, they can imagine and maybe even compose music, he doesn’t have that.
He’s a great writer. I like reading him even though I don’t always like his views. But what he self confessed here is that he’s not strong in the area of imagination. I’ve been told that Imagination is what makes human’s different – not so much their intelligence. (Maybe that’s why musicians, and not scientist, get women’s panties thrown at them). The confrontation between Cro-magnum and Neanderthal in Europe was perhaps the confrontation between a more imaginitive versus less imaginative creature.
Imagination helps us invent tools and technology. Imagination of flying lead to the invention of flying.
But imagination is a two edged sword. People can imagine some dark things. So imagination needs to be managed so that it stays constructive and positive and doesn’t wonder off into the negative. While Europeans brought, with Christianity, a religion to the new world that suggested God not only was aware of humanity, he was aware of each human, loved each human and was willing to act to change reality towards each humans development, if they just follow the cross. Meanwhile the Aztecs imagined a god that might destroy them at any moment, and instead of waiting for the apocolypse to happen, performed mass human sacrifice to satiate the blood lust of the gods so that they wouldn’t destroy their civilization.
Imagination is a crazy thing. Some people have to much of it, and too little anchor to keep them from going off the charts. So I see religion as possibly a necessary thing to help insure that imagination stay constructive. Beyond that, there is little purpose towards ‘public’ spirituality. It all should be inwardly focused, in my mind.
Being of a young mind, I agree with Luis in all aspects. I grew up in a Methodist home, attended a Methodist Church and the what not, but, to this day, I’m not off-the-walls-religious…hell, I even cringe at discusing the bible because I know there are people out there who are just unreasonable in the sense of what they believe if the truth, and anything else is just plain wrong.
One of my favorite films is Dogma, despite being a so called “anti-Catholic” film, it has some very good ideas within it’s religious/comedy candy coated shell.
I was lucky enough to go to Japan for a short time and even attend a Buddhist ceremony with a few friends I met there. When I asked, being that I’m not Buddhist, how I should pray, a monk responded “we do not ask you to join us in our religion, but we ask you to pray with us.”
This struck me. I consider my self the border line between being Christian and being Agnostic…I have an idea that God exhists…but I’m not possitive. But I found these monks to be more tollerant than most people I knew back at home. I was not Buddhist, but I believe in peace, understanding and love, something they too hope and pray for.
My father is an extreamly religious man, who likes to listen to radio stations that have the evangelist priests yelling at the top of their lungs screaming the obvious “Jesus is the son of God” “God loves you.” Until the subject turns to homosexuality. Then it’s “You will burn in the firey depths of Hell for all eternity for laying with another man as you would a woman.”
This is why I still shy away from most Christian groups. Their message seems to be “Jesus loves you, unless you are gay, then you’re going to hell.” And it is truly the minority that see the message as this “Jesus loves you, yes, even if you are gay.”
Until that day comes when truly accepting people for who they are and what they beleive, I’ll be right here waiting…sadly, I have a feeling I’ll be dead by then.