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February 7th, 2005

I typically do not comment on anything that Ann Coulter says, for the reason that she is a pitiful wretch of a person who just says outrageous stuff to enrage people. But this one was too hard to pass up. Commenting on anti-Bush demonstrations in Canada, she noted, in her typical obnoxious manner, that Canada “needs us. They’d better hope the United States doesn’t roll over one night and crush them.” Explaining this, she noted that Canada used to be our good ally because they did everything we wanted them to do, specifically sending their people to fight our wars. “Canada sent troops to Vietnam,” she claimed to CBC’s Bob McKeown for Canadian TV. Because they sent troops to Vietnam, she reasoned, they should be willing to send troops to Iraq.

Turns out they didn’t.

MCKEOWN: “Canada didn’t send troops to Vietnam.”

COULTER: “I don’t think that’s right.”

MCKEOWN: “Canada did not send troops to Vietnam.”

COULTER: “Indochina?”

MCKEOWN: “Uh no. Canada …second World War of course. Korea. Yes. Vietnam No.”

COULTER: “I think you’re wrong.”

MCKEOWN: “No, took a pass on Vietnam.”

COULTER: “I think you’re wrong.”

MCKEOWN: “No, Australia was there, not Canada.”

COULTER: “I think Canada sent troops.”

MCKEOWN: “No.”

COULTER: “Well. I’ll get back to you on that.”

MCKEOWN (voiceover): “Coulter never got back to us — but for the record, like Iraq, Canada sent no troops to Vietnam.”

Of course, if Coulter had just thought about it for a minute, she would have realized that many of those kids during Vietnam who left the U.S. to avoid fighting went to Canada. Duh.

You can read about it here, but even better, Michael Moore has it available on QuickTime on this page. It’s a real hoot, watching her squirm like that–knowing she’s got a big point completely wrong, and yet her titanic ego won’t let her admit to it.

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  1. Enumclaw
    February 7th, 2005 at 11:38 | #1

    The only real reason that Coulter has fans is that her ultra-wacko rantings provide an excuse for repressed, uptight, stick-up-their-butt rightwingers to look at a hot blonde babe and admire her without feeling too guilty about it.

    She just makes me want to puke.

  2. February 8th, 2005 at 08:32 | #2

    People make mistakes, and sometimes real dumb ones at that. But when a VERY well respected journalist corrects you dumbass error don’t challenge him on it. WTF was she thinking?

    I want to find the entire Fifth Estate episode.

  3. Anonymous
    February 21st, 2005 at 15:03 | #3

    Bob McKeown noted that, “Coulter never got back to us — but for the record, like Iraq, Canada sent no troops to Vietnam.”

    Did you know that a general in the Canadian military is currently the 2nd-ranking officer heading the Coalition forces in Iraq? Or that a dozen or two servicemembers are serving in the Canadian military alongside Coaliton forces in Iraq — on the same missions? And this is in addition to the hundred or so that will go to Iraq to help train the Iraqi military.

    I bet your instincts prompt you to express doubt and perhaps even almost certainty that this Canadian military role could not be possible today. You might even pause a moment and say that you’d have to check.

    Heh.

    So the respected journalist appears to have not be very accurate in his presentation of the facts. The country of Canada did send tens of thousands to South Vietnam. And has been and continues to be involved militarily in Iraq. The intermingling between Canadians and Americans has a very long history — Americans fought in Canadian uniform during the early years of WWII, for example, prior to official US involvement. Volunteers count — especially those who did not return home.

    And you might recall that the Canadian government did not oppose Coalition intervention in Iraq; they tried to get the additional votes in the UN Security Council to back-up the recent enforcement of UN Resolutions. The difference was not in an assessment of the Saddamaction. regime but in the relative weight of the UN Security Council last vote prior to the military. These facts were not discussed because the point of McKeown’s piece was to ridicule someone he did not agree with.

  4. Anonymous
    March 1st, 2005 at 03:43 | #4

    more Canadians came to the us to fight in vietnam then the liberal pussies who left their country.

  5. Luis
    March 1st, 2005 at 08:36 | #5

    As always, conservatives never cite sources. That makes what they say so trustworthy.

  6. Phil
  7. Luis
    March 2nd, 2005 at 10:49 | #7

    Sheesh. How lame. This is exactly why conservatives avoid citing sources unless pressed to do so. The page referenced doesn’t help your claims even a bit–it actually works against them!Bob McKeown noted that, “Coulter never got back to us — but for the record, like Iraq, Canada sent no troops to Vietnam.”Note: “Canada sent no troops.” The country called Canada, in other words the government. And he was 100% correct: Canada sent no troops. Even if the prior poster’s claim is true about a few Canadians joining the Iraq ‘coalition,’ it was not an official act by Canada, nor was it a “Canadian military role.” If the (still unsupported and uncited) claim that Canadians are serving in Iraq, it is not as an official act supported by most Canadians. If American mercenaries, for example, helped in a coup in Angola without the support or consent of the U.S. government, is that an “American military role,” or does it mean that the U.S. “sent troops” to Angola. Not in the least.

    As for Canadians serving in Vietnam and WWII, from the link you provided:I think we would agree that Canada is probably very glad that it did not officially sanction the Canadians fighting in Vietnam because in fact despite their very best intentions they were fighting for a losing cause and a wrong cause. That is the most important issue.This is one of the dangers when Canadians fight for other countries. They may indeed take up a cause that later is discovered to be a cause that Canada would not want to associate itself with. There’s more, of course, but the point is crystal clear: Canada did not “send troops.” According to your own link, it did not sanction Canadians fighting there. So the prior statement “The country of Canada did send tens of thousands to South Vietnam” is pure B.S., according to your link.

    Then there is the question of numbers, and your claim that “more Canadians came to the us to fight in vietnam then the liberal pussies who left their country.” Your cited source said absolutely nothing about the number of Canadians who fought in Vietnam, nor the number of Americans who went to Canada to avoid the war. So I can only presume that you’re pulling your claims out of your butt.

    This is what I mean about the pathetic nature of conservative claims and why citations are never readily offered. Your own citation either disputes or fails to address the conservative claims made here; it does not at all address the number of Canadians who joined the fighting in Vietnam, nor does it document the number of Americans who fled to Canada. You guys don’t even spend the two or three minutes needed to do a quick Google search to support your claims. View this site to find out that the number of Canadians who served was not accurately recorded, but the reliable counts ranged from 2,500 to 12,000: “Colonel Shields said the Defense Department had no figures because the records of soldiers who served in Vietnam had been retired.” “Roderick Engert, chief of the reference branch of the Center of Military History of the Pentagon, said the number might be only 2,500 to 3,000. He extrapolates his figures from the casualty ratio in the war, in which 2.7 million Americans served and 58,000 died. A Canadian Government official said he doubted that more than 5,000 Canadians had served in Vietnam.” – Christopher S. Wren, “Vietnam War Also Haunts Canadian Volunteers”, The New York Times, Jan. 24, 1985 “…The war also lured an estimated 5,000 Canadians to enlist in its jungle hells.” – Marci McDonald, “Vietnam’s Bitter Legacy”, Maclean’s, Apr. 29, 1985. “Some estimate that their numbers far surpassed the more than 30,000 American draft dodgers who fled to Canada to avoid military service during the war. While exact numbers are impossible to obtain, from my work as a military historian with the Canadian War Museum, I estimate that of the many thousands who served in the U. S. Vietnam-era military, some 12,000 Canadians actually served in Vietnam itself.” – Fred Gaffen in “Perspectives”, Vietnam magazine, August 199130,000 Americans went north, between 2,500 and 12,000 Canadians fought in Vietnam.

    And in the end, Coulter was dead wrong and McKeown was absolutely right.

    As I said, pathetic.

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